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Comment | ElmerJFudd
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(09/23/09 01:29 PM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
Since only the I88x has ADAT, I assume there is no way to get the 01X analog input signals in the standalone mlan network into to a non-mlan network based sound card such as one of the ones you recommend without hard wiring with an audio cable the output of the 01X to the soundcard? (which means the 01X channels cannot be separated in the DAW as they are with Mlan or with the 8 ADAT channels of the I88X).
Not true. You can route any signals you like from the mLAN network out of the ADAT on the i88x. You just have to create this scenario in the graphic patchbay and apply it to your standalone network. In fact, if you keep an old Mac or PC laying around with mLAN installed on it, you can actually continue to have the benefits of the GP, changing routing as your needs change. So, you could potentially do something like... XLR 1 and 2 from the 01X and XLR 1 and 2 from the i88x out the ADAT outs of the i88x. It's just a matter of routing, so many things are possible.
The 01X has an optical out but it doesn't separate the channels...
The 01X actually had SPDIF. Which gives you an additional stereo i/o if you need it. Making lots of other things possible too. The 01X and i88x give you ADAT I/O and two SPDIF I/O for digital outs. The RME rayDAT has a SPDIF I/O a well in addition to ADAT, so... you could dream up all sorts of routing/mixing options.
If you go with a Mac Pro, I would suggest the RME rayDAT over the Fireface. Why not? You would have internal PCIe slots available... use them.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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  | dorremifasol
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(09/23/09 03:15 PM)
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Sorry I have no drawings of my configuration but I'll try to explain it as best as I can in my rubbish English...
Yes I can use the 01X as a remote controller using Elmer's tip. The 01X midi channels 1 (input and output) are routed to the i88x midi ports, and these are used for the remote function.
It helps me to understand the configuration seeing it from 2 different perspectives: 01X as a mixer, and Fireface as an audio interface for the PC.
Seeing the 01X as a mixer, it has its 8 own analog inputs, 8 more coming from the physical i88x inputs, and 8 more coming from the Fireface 800 through ADAT.
Additionally, the Fireface is connected via SPDIF in and out to the i88x, which in turn uses that connection to provide the 01X with MONITOR input and STEREO/REC output to the Fireface. Audio from Cubase is sent through that connection.
So, in the end, the 01X handles a total of 24 inputs, MONITOR input and STEREO / REC output. It also has its own SPDIF connections free, which I'm reserving for an additional external effects processor.
Seeing the Fireface as an audio interface, it has 10 analog inputs (2 of them are NOT connected to the 01x+i88x combo), 8 more inputs provided by the i88x, and a STEREO/REC input coming from the 01X through the i88x SPDIF connection. The only channels that are not directly accessible to the computer are the analog 01X channels, but I can record them using the STEREO/REC input coming from the 01X.
Above that, the Fireface Mixer is a beast, it can route any input to any output, without restrictions, and that makes the whole package amazing. I can't think of any desirable configuration that isn't possible.
A Fireface 400 would have been more adequate for this configuration, because it has the exact amount of connections I needed, but I bought the Fireface 800 at a good price, second handed, so I can't complain.
I hope to have explained it reasonably well...
Cheers
Albert
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| dorremifasol
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(09/23/09 03:24 PM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
I also thought about having an internal card instead of a complete interface, but in the end I thought that the interface would be a better option, because it provides many analog inputs of the highest quality (much better actually), which could be added to the 01X.
The bad is that the Fireface has more latency than an internal card.
I work with many real synthesizers and I prefer to have no latency at all, so I use the 01X mixer.
Cheers
Albert
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| chrismcc1
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(09/25/09 05:12 AM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
Elmer, Doremifasol,
Excellent help, thanks to both of you.
Clearly the latency issue of the firewire interface leads me to tend towards the PCI Raydat card as Elmer suggests. On the other hand the fireface offers additional inputs if using only one I88X instead of two...
Thanks for the time you have both taken to clarify this for me. I think this post really opens up a future for our gear in a world where further development of Mlan drivers is doubful.
All the best to both of you.
Christian
G52x2.5,OS10.5.6,SX4.1,O1x,I88x
http://www.christianmccormick.com/Page_7.htm
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| Jedanor
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(09/25/09 06:04 AM)
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Hi guys. Haven't been around in awhile but this thread interests me.
I've been teetering on the fence whether to dump my two i88x's and 01x now that I am using an 003 rack. The rack is ok but suffers the same disconnects I had with mLAN. I am liking Protools in some respects and Cubase in some respects. Each have their strong points. I bought a maudio keyboard to control protools and a CC121 to control Cubase. I like them both but none like I did the 01x. The problem is, mLan isn't ProTools compatible. It would be great if there was a way I could integrate the mLan system with the Protools system like was described for the Fireface. Can this be done?
Jed
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| ElmerJFudd
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(09/25/09 06:35 AM)
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Yes, of course.
The 003 has ADAT I/O, it's a standard protocol... so a stand alone mLAN network can feed 8 channels of ADAT I/O to the 003. Any 8 channels you desire. Be it the 8 analog ins on the i88x, or the 01X, or mix and match... 2 from the 01X, 6 from the i88x, etc.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| chrismcc1
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(09/25/09 07:28 AM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
Ideally the thread should be renamed because there is plenty of great information here to help keep Mlan alive at least on a standalone basis for people who search the forum...
Christian
G52x2.5,OS10.5.6,SX4.1,O1x,I88x
http://www.christianmccormick.com/Page_7.htm
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| Jedanor
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(09/25/09 12:47 PM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
I was using the ADAT for my Behringer Preamp. So in theory I could tie mLan into ADAT, have the Behringer hooked to the i88x, have the 01x in the chain, etc... would all this be over the same firewire that the 003 is on? Yeah...probably need to do some digging again on these forums.
Jed
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| ElmerJFudd
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(09/26/09 06:17 PM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
Unfortunately no, Jed.
You would have the 003s firewire running to the PC.
The standalone mLAN network would use firewire only for your Yamaha devices, no firewire to/from the 003 at all.
You would use the i88x's ADAT to send signal to/from the 003's ADAT.
If you have one i88x, the Behringer is out of the picture.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| Jedanor
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(09/27/09 05:52 AM)
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I'm trying to get my head around the advantage of keeping my units and using the setup. I'd have no problem losing the Behringer. Now, what if all I wanted was to use the 01x as a controller? Can the 01x actually control Protools seeing is that it was never developed for that platform?
Jed
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