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Comment | cander328
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(10/14/09 09:58 AM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
Thanks for the response I am in a home studio setting and tracking guitars with all my synth/drums residing in Logic so 2 inputs would be fine. The ultralite also has midi so I would also be using the 01x as my controller (just like I use the ES6 these days - again this is sad).
My comments about sound quality are referring to the A/D because I am using a standalone mic pre and only using the line level input. The other major difference however is that the i88x is operating at +4dB balanced where the Ultralite mk3 is -10dB (in retrospect this is probably the biggest difference).
One more question: will I be able to operate at sample rates of 96k or even 192k with the setup described in the thread since the Ultralite will go to 192k? Will the i88x receive its wordclock from the Ultralite via the SPDIF?
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  | valmundo
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(10/14/09 10:16 AM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
I guess the most annoying aspect to all of this is the lack of communication from Yamaha. If there are no plans to port mLAN drivers to Windows 7 (and to a lesser extent OSX since it has been shown that the drivers still works on that platform, even though it is still 32 bit) then it would be very easy for Yamaha to release a statement saying as such.
In the short term, I don't plan on scrapping my mLAN setup since it has served me so well all these years, but I do acknowledge that it is just a matter of time before the gear becomes unusable (at least in its current state) because a lack of driver development will render the gear obsolete to future hardware / software updates.
Indeed, this is frustrating because the 01X is unmatched in features and capabilities compared to other products out there but all that means nothing if ultimately, one can't use the device. *sigh*
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| clarencew
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(10/20/09 01:18 PM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
Thanks again Elmer, for great info. I may try both of these options. Just not sure how long I'll have the MacPro for!
If I go with the other option (using the M-Audio 2496), will the one MIDI cable connection be able to give me the use of the 01X as a surface controller for the DAW as well as connection to MIDI instruments? Or is the surface controller aspect of the 01X bound up in the mLan setup?
Also, the SPDIF connectors look like phonos to me. Can a phono to phono cable work for this, or is the cable and connector specific to the SPDIF protocol?
Ed - G5/Cubase SX3/01X
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| ElmerJFudd
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(10/21/09 10:38 AM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
One more question: will I be able to operate at sample rates of 96k or even 192k with the setup described in the thread since the Ultralite will go to 192k? Will the i88x receive its wordclock from the Ultralite via the SPDIF?
Never tried this, I'm quite certain it would work over ADAT. You'll have to see if the i88x can pick up w.clck off spdf at 96k.
If I go with the other option (using the M-Audio 2496), will the one MIDI cable connection be able to give me the use of the 01X as a surface controller for the DAW as well as connection to MIDI instruments? Or is the surface controller aspect of the 01X bound up in the mLan setup?
The one MIDI I/O on the 2496 is going to be used for DAW control. That's it. There isn't any other way to get MIDI in or out of the PC for other things if it's being used for DAW control.
Also, the SPDIF connectors look like phonos to me. Can a phono to phono cable work for this, or is the cable and connector specific to the SPDIF protocol?
You might get away with it, but most phono cables (especially the cheap ones) aren't good enough for SPDIF. You need a SPDIF cable, or at least an RCA type cable that's rated for 75ohm.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| clarencew
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(10/27/09 03:48 PM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
Hi Elmer, thanks again and apologies in advance for more questions!
I've attached a graphic to show how I think I can arrange my setup, using a Korg keyboard, the 01X and M-Audio 2496 PCI interface.
My intention is to use the 01X as my analog signal in (mics, guitars, bass and keyboard audio) and to link to the G5 through the 2496.
[I am abandoning mLan for the simple reason that it kills the CPU on my G5.]
The M-Audio card has got 2-in, 2-out (phonos), MIDI in/MIDI out and SPDIF.
I understand that if I connect the 'Digital In & Out' on the 01X to 'SPDIF In and Out' on the M-A 2496, I will be able to access my guitars, mic, etc signals in Cubase.
Could I simply connect the '01X Aux Out L&R' to '2496 Phono In L&R' instead of using SPDIF? Is there any loss of features?
Can I use both Phono In and SPDIF and have more than 2-in, 2-out?
Also if I connect the MIDI 'thru' the Korg, will I have the 01X Control Surface and my keyboard available for use in Cubase?
And finally, I've been connecting to my amp & speakers from Monitor Out on the 01X. Should I now connect the 2496 Out to the amp & speakers for monitoring?
Sorry if these questions seem really elementary, but I have exremely limited knowledge of the technology side of music!
Ed - G5/Cubase SX3/01X
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| ElmerJFudd
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(10/27/09 06:22 PM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
[I am abandoning mLan for the simple reason that it kills the CPU on my G5.]
I found that using the latest 1.2 drivers on Leopard (instead of Tiger) made significant CPU improvements when using mLAN on my old G5. Dramatically lower use, and no CPU spiking, which was very evident before.
The M-Audio card has got 2-in, 2-out (phonos), MIDI in/MIDI out and SPDIF.
I understand that if I connect the 'Digital In & Out' on the 01X to 'SPDIF In and Out' on the M-A 2496, I will be able to access my guitars, mic, etc signals in Cubase.
Could I simply connect the '01X Aux Out L&R' to '2496 Phono In L&R' instead of using SPDIF? Is there any loss of features?
Can I use both Phono In and SPDIF and have more than 2-in, 2-out?
I would go SPDIF if you intend to keep it in the digital domain, otherwise you are going analog to digital to analog to digital, or.... ADAD, which is unnecessary.
Also if I connect the MIDI 'thru' the Korg, will I have the 01X Control Surface and my keyboard available for use in Cubase?
No, you really just cannot do this. Cubase is set up to listen for the 01X's control surface I/O on a specific port. You do not want to share that port for anything... if you did, you would get some crazy messages and behavior from the software and your synths, that's for sure.
And finally, I've been connecting to my amp & speakers from Monitor Out on the 01X. Should I now connect the 2496 Out to the amp & speakers for monitoring?
It depends... I suppose that's one way, then you can listen to what's coming back from the DAW along with what's entering the DAW at the 2496.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| cander328
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(10/29/09 11:42 AM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
I can't express enough what a shame it is that Yamaha has not continued to support this platform. I just finished doing some comparison recordings with a MOTU Ultralite mk3 and the i88x is one really nice sounding box! Also the 01x is such a great control surface for Logic that I can use it when tracking without even touching the computer.
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| valmundo
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(10/29/09 01:25 PM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
My thoughts exactly. As a control surface, the 01X rocks. I use it both for logic and cubase. The pres on the i88x are great too. I even use the 01X for mixdown, meaning I choose send out my audio from my DAW to the 01X to mixdown, often with great results.
The only saving grace we have on the mac side is the fact that the drivers seem to work still in Snow Leopard but it is only at 32 bit. It is however, only a matter of time before this will not be the case if Apple completes its transition to 64 bit. :-(
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| chrismcc1
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(11/02/09 11:20 AM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
The real saving grace is the standalone option widely documented by Elmer on this forum...
Christian
G52x2.5,OS10.5.6,SX4.1,O1x,I88x
http://www.christianmccormick.com/Page_7.htm
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| Synthy
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(11/05/09 01:16 PM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
Well, for me it's also gonna be the end of the 01x.
I'm gonna get the new Imac with Snow Leopard.
Just like Cander328 I believe it's a shame that Yamaha will not continue the driver support for the 01x. Ok, things have an end of live, but at least, give us drivers, or make it an open source protocol, in which enthusiast can make there own drivers.
For such a great product as the 01x, it's not the end it deserved.
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