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(09/19/09 10:41 AM)
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I believe I finished with mLAN
5 hours, not a single successful connect. The tools are insuffiicient to do the job.
mLAN reset tool only scans the internal FW bus. not handy if you're on an 8-core, as you need an external/extra FW bus. no feedback if reset actually happned or not. gotta switch cables around and reboot every iteration of trying to see if a reset actually worked.
autoconnect factory reset. also gives no feedback if it was successful or not.
my backup scenario today is a MOTO 828 *original model* which still has full driver support today...
'nuff said.
there's enough choice out there right now I think. Alesis, heck, even Zoom makes something in the low range the competes with the o1x...
I'll probably go the high-end route though. don't care if I ever see FireWire gain. Euphonix, and something from MOTU that uses a plug in card... they don't sound the best, but if they can keep my original 828 running today, they get my business.
why did I lose mLAN connect? no way to know... I did a simple reboot of the machine, that's it. no changes to my rig at all...
Good luck all
Michael
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  | ElmerJFudd
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(09/19/09 03:49 PM)
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Michael, you're on Snow Leopard with the 8-core?
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| michaelhuisman
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(09/20/09 01:32 PM)
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yes, but SL wasn't any better or worse than 10.5.8.
i'm booting the 32-bit kernel anyway...
why do you ask?
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| ElmerJFudd
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(09/20/09 03:33 PM)
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I was under the impression that you had worked out the kinks, or at least had a stable system with a workaround or two (like rebooting to change gp templates or sample rates) using a 2nd fw card on Leopard.
From what Zibba shares with us, he has everything running under SL with the exception of the plugins. But he's on a MacBook Pro. At this point, I have decided to stay away from SL until Yamaha do an official point release for it (a dream perhaps, but hopefully if they do the right thing for W7, they do the same for us).
I'm entirely supportive of you jumping ship if you can't work with your setup. I can imagine how frustrating it must be, I have been to that point several times over the past few years with Yamaha, and believe me... I'm so tentative about buying anything from their music production line in the future. If I can make some suggestions...
Apple and Apogee are having a love fest...
You might consider the Ensemble (best bang for the buck in their pricey line). However, if you don't care for firewire any longer, you can always take a peak at their X-Cards + one of their converters. Although, that might be really cost prohibitive, but something to think about none-the-less.
The best price/performance ratio IMHO would be an HDSPe RayDAT from RME. In fact, if you have an i88x or two, you could run standalone mLAN network (without using the mLAN drivers) as per the 10th post in this thread, http://www.01xray.com/forums/showflat.php?Cat=7&Board=01X_Windows&Number=440401&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=all Pipe audio I/O from the mLAN gear through the RME (and any other ADAT converters/pre boxes you fancy). You could even use the MIDI I/O for controller data. Something to consider wether you sell off the Yamaha or gear or keep it, the RayDAT is a nice option, and you can be sure RME will support it with drivers.
And of course, MOTU, always on top of drivers for their hardware regardless what curves Apple throws them. It's their business to support the Mac platform, something Yamaha needs to learn. Perhaps Steinberg's habit of supporting both PCs and Macs will rub off on YCJ, only time will tell.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| michaelhuisman
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(09/20/09 08:25 PM)
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ah. thanks. yeah, well it was working at least...
I've got some other Intel Macs here. I'm considering installing WinXP on one of these, and trying to connect via the Windows drivers and software to each of the devices, seeing if I can connect there, and then retry for one last time on my normal rig. That's a full day of work, if for no other reason than to get the rig demo-ready for eBay or the like. I'm still fuming that I can't actually see the status of the mLAN gear (have they been reset or not, if not connecting, why not?). at any rate, Snow Leopard itselfs sees everything just fine, registers the existence or non-existence of the mLAN devices on the FW bus just fine. They're there, auto-connector also correctly sees what devices are there, they just won't connect anymore...
oh well... an intermediate step would be to see if I can get a mLAN connect with any of these other Intel Macs...
anyway, right now, my music rig is literally non-functional... and that's just wrong.
the thing is really... it's replace all of this now, or eventually later. it's non-supported gear, and that's what it comes down to in the end.
I have to get over the price shock, but it'll probably euphonix for remote surface stuff, and then I've got to look at what's supported here for audio in The Netherlands (I was a bit of a multi-device mLAN pioneer here). MOTU just works. Apogee's stuff is indeed cool... Confusing at first glance, what do I need to buy...
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| chrismcc1
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(09/21/09 03:00 AM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
Elmer,
The standalone Mlan network solution is an interesting one that could extend the life of our Mlan networks into the SL age. Unfortunatly I am not an ADAT expert...
I am trying to understand how such a setup works for us mlanners, and a number of questions come up that I was wondering if you may have some answers to.
1. When the I88X is connected through ADAT to another sound card, I assume we get a maximum of 8 channels from the Mlan network into the sound card since ADAT carries only 8 channels. Is that correct?
2. I gather from the post you refered to further above that the analog inputs of the 01X and I88X are converted into the sound card via the ADAT connection (max of 8 as per question 1). How does one "see" the eight channels on the sound card? (With Mlan each analog channels can be set as a Mlan channel and selected individualy in the DAW for recording on a specific channels. How is this done with the ADAT input?).
3. What is the advantage of having two I88X in your setup? (8+8+8 analog inputs but only 8 channels of ADAT into the sound card?)
As you see from my questions, I am certainly uterly confused but if you have some explanations I would be grateful.
Christian
G52x2.5,OS10.5.6,SX4.1,O1x,I88x
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| ElmerJFudd
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(09/21/09 08:13 AM)
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1. When the I88X is connected through ADAT to another sound card, I assume we get a maximum of 8 channels from the Mlan network into the sound card since ADAT carries only 8 channels. Is that correct?
One i88x gives you 8 channels of audio over ADAT to your sound card of choice (if you go PCIe, I reccomend the RME RAYdat).
2. I gather from the post you refered to further above that the analog inputs of the 01X and I88X are converted into the sound card via the ADAT connection (max of 8 as per question 1). How does one "see" the eight channels on the sound card? (With Mlan each analog channels can be set as a Mlan channel and selected individualy in the DAW for recording on a specific channels. How is this done with the ADAT input?).
All the RME cards have a DSP mixer controlled by software from the computer. MOTU has controller software like this as well for their interfaces. Since you aren't using mLAN, the channels just show up as ADAT inputs 1-8 on whatever card you are using.
3. What is the advantage of having two I88X in your setup? (8+8+8 analog inputs but only 8 channels of ADAT into the sound card?)
Two i88x gives you 16 channels of audio out of your standalone mLAN network, which is desirable for people who regularly track multiple instruments in a single pass... if you were micing a drum set, or rack of hardware synths, etc. Most home studio types do just fine with 8, in fact, most do well with a stereo pair. However, the two i88xs also give you two standard MIDI I/Os for the standalone mLAN network, so you could also use your 01X as controller and still use SM2/01X editor by routing these signals in/out of the mLAN network over standard MIDI cables to an interface.
I've had this setup working in the past and am happy to help anyone who devides to go this route.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| dorremifasol
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(09/21/09 08:51 AM)
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Chris, as I posted in another thread, I recently acquired a Fireface 800 to replace my 01X+i88x, but before selling them I connected all together, and I couldn't be happier now. Both the 01x and i88x have started a new and long life with this new setup.
I don't use mLan now, only the Fireface drivers and they are great. The settings can be changed in realtime without compromise. Moreover, the 01X and i88x adapt immediately (ie. changing between 44 or 48kz is immediate and require no configuration).
If I was worried about mLan before, now I'm only worried about how much the faders of my 01x will last, because I plan to keep it forever.
Cheers
Albert
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| lozee
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(09/23/09 12:51 AM)
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
hola albert
where is that other post where you describe your setup?
gracias
raphael
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| chrismcc1
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(09/23/09 02:50 AM)
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Elmer, Doremifasol,
Many thanks for your responses and detailed explanations. Elmer, you really understood my questions clearly although they were not necessarily well phrased! Great job!
I still use my old trusted Dual G5 for the moment, but I will have to make some decisions early next year to move up to a Mac Pro Macintel and your suggestions will help me make the switch comfortably to an "standalone" Mlan network.
Just some questions on the 01X... Since only the I88x as ADAT, I assume there is no way to get the 01X analog input signals in the standalone mlan network into to a non-mlan network based sound card such as one of the ones you recommend without hard wiring with an audio cable the output of the 01X to the soundcard? (which means the 01X channels cannot be separated in the DAW as they are with Mlan or with the 8 ADAT channels of the I88X).
The 01X has an optical out but it doesn't separate the channels...
PS: I checked the RME stuff. Very nice indeed. The Fireface offers the ADAT inputs for up to two I88x as well as an SPDIF that could be connected to the SPDIF of the 01X (without channel splitting but at least the 01X analog inputs are not entirely lost...). Doremifasol, are you able to use the 01X controller section with the I88x's midi as suggested by Elmer with the Fireface?
Christian
G52x2.5,OS10.5.6,SX4.1,O1x,I88x
http://www.christianmccormick.com/Page_7.htm
Edited by chrismcc1 (09/23/09 09:14 AM)
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| ElmerJFudd
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(09/23/09 01:29 PM)
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Since only the I88x has ADAT, I assume there is no way to get the 01X analog input signals in the standalone mlan network into to a non-mlan network based sound card such as one of the ones you recommend without hard wiring with an audio cable the output of the 01X to the soundcard? (which means the 01X channels cannot be separated in the DAW as they are with Mlan or with the 8 ADAT channels of the I88X).
Not true. You can route any signals you like from the mLAN network out of the ADAT on the i88x. You just have to create this scenario in the graphic patchbay and apply it to your standalone network. In fact, if you keep an old Mac or PC laying around with mLAN installed on it, you can actually continue to have the benefits of the GP, changing routing as your needs change. So, you could potentially do something like... XLR 1 and 2 from the 01X and XLR 1 and 2 from the i88x out the ADAT outs of the i88x. It's just a matter of routing, so many things are possible.
The 01X has an optical out but it doesn't separate the channels...
The 01X actually had SPDIF. Which gives you an additional stereo i/o if you need it. Making lots of other things possible too. The 01X and i88x give you ADAT I/O and two SPDIF I/O for digital outs. The RME rayDAT has a SPDIF I/O a well in addition to ADAT, so... you could dream up all sorts of routing/mixing options.
If you go with a Mac Pro, I would suggest the RME rayDAT over the Fireface. Why not? You would have internal PCIe slots available... use them.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| dorremifasol
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(09/23/09 03:15 PM)
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Sorry I have no drawings of my configuration but I'll try to explain it as best as I can in my rubbish English...
Yes I can use the 01X as a remote controller using Elmer's tip. The 01X midi channels 1 (input and output) are routed to the i88x midi ports, and these are used for the remote function.
It helps me to understand the configuration seeing it from 2 different perspectives: 01X as a mixer, and Fireface as an audio interface for the PC.
Seeing the 01X as a mixer, it has its 8 own analog inputs, 8 more coming from the physical i88x inputs, and 8 more coming from the Fireface 800 through ADAT.
Additionally, the Fireface is connected via SPDIF in and out to the i88x, which in turn uses that connection to provide the 01X with MONITOR input and STEREO/REC output to the Fireface. Audio from Cubase is sent through that connection.
So, in the end, the 01X handles a total of 24 inputs, MONITOR input and STEREO / REC output. It also has its own SPDIF connections free, which I'm reserving for an additional external effects processor.
Seeing the Fireface as an audio interface, it has 10 analog inputs (2 of them are NOT connected to the 01x+i88x combo), 8 more inputs provided by the i88x, and a STEREO/REC input coming from the 01X through the i88x SPDIF connection. The only channels that are not directly accessible to the computer are the analog 01X channels, but I can record them using the STEREO/REC input coming from the 01X.
Above that, the Fireface Mixer is a beast, it can route any input to any output, without restrictions, and that makes the whole package amazing. I can't think of any desirable configuration that isn't possible.
A Fireface 400 would have been more adequate for this configuration, because it has the exact amount of connections I needed, but I bought the Fireface 800 at a good price, second handed, so I can't complain.
I hope to have explained it reasonably well...
Cheers
Albert
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| dorremifasol
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I also thought about having an internal card instead of a complete interface, but in the end I thought that the interface would be a better option, because it provides many analog inputs of the highest quality (much better actually), which could be added to the 01X.
The bad is that the Fireface has more latency than an internal card.
I work with many real synthesizers and I prefer to have no latency at all, so I use the 01X mixer.
Cheers
Albert
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| chrismcc1
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Elmer, Doremifasol,
Excellent help, thanks to both of you.
Clearly the latency issue of the firewire interface leads me to tend towards the PCI Raydat card as Elmer suggests. On the other hand the fireface offers additional inputs if using only one I88X instead of two...
Thanks for the time you have both taken to clarify this for me. I think this post really opens up a future for our gear in a world where further development of Mlan drivers is doubful.
All the best to both of you.
Christian
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| Jedanor
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Hi guys. Haven't been around in awhile but this thread interests me.
I've been teetering on the fence whether to dump my two i88x's and 01x now that I am using an 003 rack. The rack is ok but suffers the same disconnects I had with mLAN. I am liking Protools in some respects and Cubase in some respects. Each have their strong points. I bought a maudio keyboard to control protools and a CC121 to control Cubase. I like them both but none like I did the 01x. The problem is, mLan isn't ProTools compatible. It would be great if there was a way I could integrate the mLan system with the Protools system like was described for the Fireface. Can this be done?
Jed
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| ElmerJFudd
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(09/25/09 06:35 AM)
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Yes, of course.
The 003 has ADAT I/O, it's a standard protocol... so a stand alone mLAN network can feed 8 channels of ADAT I/O to the 003. Any 8 channels you desire. Be it the 8 analog ins on the i88x, or the 01X, or mix and match... 2 from the 01X, 6 from the i88x, etc.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| chrismcc1
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
Ideally the thread should be renamed because there is plenty of great information here to help keep Mlan alive at least on a standalone basis for people who search the forum...
Christian
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| Jedanor
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(09/25/09 12:47 PM)
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I was using the ADAT for my Behringer Preamp. So in theory I could tie mLan into ADAT, have the Behringer hooked to the i88x, have the 01x in the chain, etc... would all this be over the same firewire that the 003 is on? Yeah...probably need to do some digging again on these forums.
Jed
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| ElmerJFudd
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(09/26/09 06:17 PM)
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Unfortunately no, Jed.
You would have the 003s firewire running to the PC.
The standalone mLAN network would use firewire only for your Yamaha devices, no firewire to/from the 003 at all.
You would use the i88x's ADAT to send signal to/from the 003's ADAT.
If you have one i88x, the Behringer is out of the picture.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| Jedanor
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(09/27/09 05:52 AM)
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I'm trying to get my head around the advantage of keeping my units and using the setup. I'd have no problem losing the Behringer. Now, what if all I wanted was to use the 01x as a controller? Can the 01x actually control Protools seeing is that it was never developed for that platform?
Jed
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| ElmerJFudd
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(09/27/09 07:29 AM)
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The advantage is different, depending what and how you set things up, and how you work and what DAW you use.
For you, you would have a digital mixer with lots of inputs that you have not spent any more money on that can feed your ProTools LE interface, using I/O from both. There are many advantages to having a mixer involved, quickly and easily creating, saving, and recalling different monitor mixes comes to mind... there are many others.
As far as control surface, this depends. Digidesign are a fairly closed system when it comes to what hardware you use, including controllers. The 003 does have a MIDI In and 2 MIDI Outs. Is it possible to tell ProTools LE that you have a control surface on that MIDI I/O? Does it work with an MCU? Or does it only allow for HUI? And, does ProTools LE have any MIDI Learn features, where you can assign any controller you like to do tasks like Logic has? I don't use ProTools LE, so you will have to investigate.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| michaelhuisman
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I'd be happy to rename this thread, but I don't actually see how I can do that? do we need a mod for that?
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| Jedanor
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HUI was the only thing I saw listed. Is that a problem?
Jed
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| ElmerJFudd
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I think it might be... the 01X does MCU, with specific presets for Cubase, Logic, DP, and Sonar. There is no HUI mode, although there is a generic MCU mode... not sure what is the same and different message wise between these protocols. Anyway, Digidesign can be a bitch about these things, very proprietary. Test it out, see what happens.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| Jedanor
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So what you are saying is I can probably still use the 003 / 01x with all DAW's with the exception of ProTools. Not sure it is worth the hassle. Thanks Elmer.
Jed
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| ElmerJFudd
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I'm saying you're the ProTools LE user here, so you're the one who has to test it. 
But my suspicion is, yes, that Digidesign have a generally closed system and like to pick and choose what will and won't work with their DAW. Owning the 003 grants you access to their audio and MIDI I/O, however, the 01X was never intended to work with ProTools, neither with nor without the mLAN drivers. But since you own the 003 and it has ADAT, you can use it with an i88x as a digital mixer feeding the 003, but as a control surface, you'll have to investigate.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| clarencew
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When I started with 01X and mLan in 2005 (sooo long ago!) I managed—with wonderful help from several of you, especially Elmer!—to get up and running even though I'm pretty poor on the techie front. My setup is detailed below...
For about a year and half I worked away and demoed quite a few tunes.
I always had CPU spikes when using effects across a number of tracks, but modified the way I worked and managed (just about).
I followed the 'developments' (really the realisation that there would not be developments) for quite a while, but as my music moved into the 'live' arena, I hadn't been recording much recently.
However, any time I've needed to use the 01X and the Mac to mix a song or some other pretty basic action, I get constant spikes. One pass across two or three tracks of audio and a couple of MIDI tracks with some reverb and compression can overload the CPU a dozen times in one pass.
All of this just put me off using it. However, I need a solution as I'm into a new phase of demoing soon.
So two basic questions:
1. I have temporary access to a 2006 MacPro 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual Core, with 8GB RAM (Macintel). If I create a setup with this machine, might it threaten my fairly robust connection to my older G5 if and when I need to go back to that? And could I expect a significantly better performance from it?
2. I have an M-Audio 2496 PCI card already installed in my G5 from my pre-01X days and it never seemed to have the same difficulty with the CPU. Can I simply connect the 01X to the 2496 in my G5 by SPDIF and not use the mLan/Firewire connection at all? the 2496 allows for 2-in and 2-out as well MIDI in and out. [Mostly I track each thing separately and don't need multiple ins and outs.]
The second of the options arose in my mind from your discussion about using RME rayDAT, Fireface 400 or 800. Maybe one of you could suggest an inexpensive way to harness some of the very good features of the 01X, but avoiding the mLan aspect, which has been stressful in the exptreme!
Regards
Ed
Mac G5, 2 GHz Dual, 2GB RAM with a dedicated 250 GB HD for audio. OSX.4.11 and my DAW is Cubase SX3
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| ElmerJFudd
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(10/13/09 08:12 AM)
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1. I have temporary access to a 2006 MacPro 2 x 2.66 GHz Dual Core, with 8GB RAM (Macintel). If I create a setup with this machine, might it threaten my fairly robust connection to my older G5 if and when I need to go back to that? And could I expect a significantly better performance from it?
There should not be an issue with connecting to the MacIntel and returning to the G5. At least there isn't anyone who has ever reported that being an issue here. We have heard of there being issues going between PC and Mac, however, this is easily fixed with an isoch channel reset from the autoconnector software. I am finding that an lowly 2009 MacBook (white w/firewire) blows my dual 2ghz G5 out of the water when it comes to any kind of processing - this includes plugins, bounces/exports, track count, etc. etc. It's unbelievable how much better it performs. The FW card on some of the MacPros has proved problematic with mLAN in some cases, some have chosen a Sonnet FW card instead and had success. If you are using just an 01X, you may be fine right from the start.
2. I have an M-Audio 2496 PCI card already installed in my G5 from my pre-01X days and it never seemed to have the same difficulty with the CPU. Can I simply connect the 01X to the 2496 in my G5 by SPDIF and not use the mLan/Firewire connection at all? the 2496 allows for 2-in and 2-out as well MIDI in and out. [Mostly I track each thing separately and don't need multiple ins and outs.]
Yes, if 2in/2out fulfills your needs, the 2496 is a great idea. You can just use the 01X as a digital mixer (set to internal wordclock, no firewire cable at all) and send your material to be recording out via SPDIF.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| cander328
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Re: I believe I finished with mLAN
Even thinking about his makes me upset but I am contemplating some of the solutions outlined in this thread to salvage my 01x, i88x and ES6 and the promise of an mLan based studio. I guess I am not ready to completely jump ship because with my 8 core and Sonnet firewire card I am running fine as long as I don't want to change sample rate or my graphic patchbay configuration (requires a reboot).
My question: I tried a MOTU Ultralite mk3 and the A/D convertors are no where near the quality of those on the i88x. Now the Ultralite mk 3 does not have ADAT i/o so am I right in assuming that the solutions in this thread will also allow me to use the A/D and mic pres of the i88x and then route the signal digitally to my ultralite mk3 via SPDIF?
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| ElmerJFudd
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(10/14/09 08:12 AM)
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I'm not sure if it's necessarily the converters that are sub-par to the i88x, although sure, that would be an important aspect of the signal chain. I suspect the mic pres on the UltraLite have as much to do with it as anything. The i88x's pres are actually really nice, and the box itself is very "clean" sounding in general.
Yes, you can create a standalone mLAN network with an 01X and i88x. Using the SPDIF with give you a 2x2 I/O to your DAW through the MOTU. And, if the MOTU has MIDI, you could still pull off DAW control in/out via i88x's MIDI ports if you wanted to. The reason ADAT is the preferred method is because it gives you 8x8 I/O from the mLAN network. But if you mainly track an instrument at a time in stereo, SPDIF will do fine.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| cander328
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(10/14/09 09:58 AM)
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Thanks for the response I am in a home studio setting and tracking guitars with all my synth/drums residing in Logic so 2 inputs would be fine. The ultralite also has midi so I would also be using the 01x as my controller (just like I use the ES6 these days - again this is sad).
My comments about sound quality are referring to the A/D because I am using a standalone mic pre and only using the line level input. The other major difference however is that the i88x is operating at +4dB balanced where the Ultralite mk3 is -10dB (in retrospect this is probably the biggest difference).
One more question: will I be able to operate at sample rates of 96k or even 192k with the setup described in the thread since the Ultralite will go to 192k? Will the i88x receive its wordclock from the Ultralite via the SPDIF?
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| valmundo
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(10/14/09 10:16 AM)
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I guess the most annoying aspect to all of this is the lack of communication from Yamaha. If there are no plans to port mLAN drivers to Windows 7 (and to a lesser extent OSX since it has been shown that the drivers still works on that platform, even though it is still 32 bit) then it would be very easy for Yamaha to release a statement saying as such.
In the short term, I don't plan on scrapping my mLAN setup since it has served me so well all these years, but I do acknowledge that it is just a matter of time before the gear becomes unusable (at least in its current state) because a lack of driver development will render the gear obsolete to future hardware / software updates.
Indeed, this is frustrating because the 01X is unmatched in features and capabilities compared to other products out there but all that means nothing if ultimately, one can't use the device. *sigh*
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| clarencew
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(10/20/09 01:18 PM)
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Thanks again Elmer, for great info. I may try both of these options. Just not sure how long I'll have the MacPro for!
If I go with the other option (using the M-Audio 2496), will the one MIDI cable connection be able to give me the use of the 01X as a surface controller for the DAW as well as connection to MIDI instruments? Or is the surface controller aspect of the 01X bound up in the mLan setup?
Also, the SPDIF connectors look like phonos to me. Can a phono to phono cable work for this, or is the cable and connector specific to the SPDIF protocol?
Ed - G5/Cubase SX3/01X
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| ElmerJFudd
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(10/21/09 10:38 AM)
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One more question: will I be able to operate at sample rates of 96k or even 192k with the setup described in the thread since the Ultralite will go to 192k? Will the i88x receive its wordclock from the Ultralite via the SPDIF?
Never tried this, I'm quite certain it would work over ADAT. You'll have to see if the i88x can pick up w.clck off spdf at 96k.
If I go with the other option (using the M-Audio 2496), will the one MIDI cable connection be able to give me the use of the 01X as a surface controller for the DAW as well as connection to MIDI instruments? Or is the surface controller aspect of the 01X bound up in the mLan setup?
The one MIDI I/O on the 2496 is going to be used for DAW control. That's it. There isn't any other way to get MIDI in or out of the PC for other things if it's being used for DAW control.
Also, the SPDIF connectors look like phonos to me. Can a phono to phono cable work for this, or is the cable and connector specific to the SPDIF protocol?
You might get away with it, but most phono cables (especially the cheap ones) aren't good enough for SPDIF. You need a SPDIF cable, or at least an RCA type cable that's rated for 75ohm.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| clarencew
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Hi Elmer, thanks again and apologies in advance for more questions!
I've attached a graphic to show how I think I can arrange my setup, using a Korg keyboard, the 01X and M-Audio 2496 PCI interface.
My intention is to use the 01X as my analog signal in (mics, guitars, bass and keyboard audio) and to link to the G5 through the 2496.
[I am abandoning mLan for the simple reason that it kills the CPU on my G5.]
The M-Audio card has got 2-in, 2-out (phonos), MIDI in/MIDI out and SPDIF.
I understand that if I connect the 'Digital In & Out' on the 01X to 'SPDIF In and Out' on the M-A 2496, I will be able to access my guitars, mic, etc signals in Cubase.
Could I simply connect the '01X Aux Out L&R' to '2496 Phono In L&R' instead of using SPDIF? Is there any loss of features?
Can I use both Phono In and SPDIF and have more than 2-in, 2-out?
Also if I connect the MIDI 'thru' the Korg, will I have the 01X Control Surface and my keyboard available for use in Cubase?
And finally, I've been connecting to my amp & speakers from Monitor Out on the 01X. Should I now connect the 2496 Out to the amp & speakers for monitoring?
Sorry if these questions seem really elementary, but I have exremely limited knowledge of the technology side of music!
Ed - G5/Cubase SX3/01X
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| ElmerJFudd
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(10/27/09 06:22 PM)
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[I am abandoning mLan for the simple reason that it kills the CPU on my G5.]
I found that using the latest 1.2 drivers on Leopard (instead of Tiger) made significant CPU improvements when using mLAN on my old G5. Dramatically lower use, and no CPU spiking, which was very evident before.
The M-Audio card has got 2-in, 2-out (phonos), MIDI in/MIDI out and SPDIF.
I understand that if I connect the 'Digital In & Out' on the 01X to 'SPDIF In and Out' on the M-A 2496, I will be able to access my guitars, mic, etc signals in Cubase.
Could I simply connect the '01X Aux Out L&R' to '2496 Phono In L&R' instead of using SPDIF? Is there any loss of features?
Can I use both Phono In and SPDIF and have more than 2-in, 2-out?
I would go SPDIF if you intend to keep it in the digital domain, otherwise you are going analog to digital to analog to digital, or.... ADAD, which is unnecessary.
Also if I connect the MIDI 'thru' the Korg, will I have the 01X Control Surface and my keyboard available for use in Cubase?
No, you really just cannot do this. Cubase is set up to listen for the 01X's control surface I/O on a specific port. You do not want to share that port for anything... if you did, you would get some crazy messages and behavior from the software and your synths, that's for sure.
And finally, I've been connecting to my amp & speakers from Monitor Out on the 01X. Should I now connect the 2496 Out to the amp & speakers for monitoring?
It depends... I suppose that's one way, then you can listen to what's coming back from the DAW along with what's entering the DAW at the 2496.
White MacBook '09 (4gb RAM), OSX.5.8, v.1.2 mLAN tools, Logic 9, 01X, S90ES, i88x & i88x
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| cander328
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(10/29/09 11:42 AM)
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I can't express enough what a shame it is that Yamaha has not continued to support this platform. I just finished doing some comparison recordings with a MOTU Ultralite mk3 and the i88x is one really nice sounding box! Also the 01x is such a great control surface for Logic that I can use it when tracking without even touching the computer.
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| valmundo
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(10/29/09 01:25 PM)
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My thoughts exactly. As a control surface, the 01X rocks. I use it both for logic and cubase. The pres on the i88x are great too. I even use the 01X for mixdown, meaning I choose send out my audio from my DAW to the 01X to mixdown, often with great results.
The only saving grace we have on the mac side is the fact that the drivers seem to work still in Snow Leopard but it is only at 32 bit. It is however, only a matter of time before this will not be the case if Apple completes its transition to 64 bit. :-(
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| chrismcc1
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(11/02/09 11:20 AM)
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The real saving grace is the standalone option widely documented by Elmer on this forum...
Christian
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http://www.christianmccormick.com/Page_7.htm
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| Synthy
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Well, for me it's also gonna be the end of the 01x.
I'm gonna get the new Imac with Snow Leopard.
Just like Cander328 I believe it's a shame that Yamaha will not continue the driver support for the 01x. Ok, things have an end of live, but at least, give us drivers, or make it an open source protocol, in which enthusiast can make there own drivers.
For such a great product as the 01x, it's not the end it deserved.
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